conservative? >> bob: he was dropped on his head when he was a child. >> kimberly: awesome guy. >> eric: you are not lying brian. >> brian: i'm not. that book is, it lives up to the fight. it's fantastic. >> bob: very good. >> brian: you have been on the radio show. thursday, serious foolishly is dropping fox news talk. so you can get us online and over the 100 stations we are on. i want to inform the audience that is where you find it. hopefully they'll be smart enough to put it back on. >> eric: before we go. can we mention something we haven't mentioned, worthwhile to mention. chris kyle, we buried an american hero the other day. american sniper and navy seal, who took out 150 of the enemies, bad guy. >> brian: i did an hour interview with him. on kilmeadeandfriends.com. put it up on the day of the memorial service. >> kimberly: important to honor his service and those who continue to serve.

tragedy what happened. >> bob: does anybody have radio stations up there, get brian's show and get andrea's show. because you are missing two good shows. >> megyn: thank you, bob. >> bob: no problem. >> on the seal, can we call him a hero and leave it at that? after chris kyle passed away, number of people in media who took to the web to basically use it as an opportunity for gun control. >> a hero. buried yesterday. thank you for watching. see you tomorrow. bye. ♪ ♪ captioned by closed captioning services, inc >> bret: welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. we begin tonight with problems on several fronts for people president obama has chosen for some key jobs in his second term. first, the man originally nominated as nato supreme allied commander europe is being one source tells fox news, "pushed out the door."

general john allen was chosen some time ago for the post. but the nomination expired in an uncomfortable investigation in to the general's e-mail exchanges with tampa socialitegill keley -- socialite jill kelley. he was leery of rehashing the issue in con fiormation process. a source tells ed henry allen was pushed out by the white house and will retire. requested if they pushed allen out, the administration officials point to comments by it was secretary leon panetta who today lauded allen's service. but did not say if he wants him renominated. he told him to "think about what you need to do." allen's e-mails were discovered in the investigation that led to the resignation of david petraeus. rand paul says he is prepared to put a hold on the nomination of john brennan as

the new c.i.a. director. until brennan answers his questions about drones. paul says he wants to know if brennan believes the president has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike against a u.s. citizen on american soil. jack confirmation adventure today. it's the president's pick to be the new treasury secretary. but questions persist about his old job. and his role during the night of the terror attack against the u.s. mission in libya last september. >> i did speak with the president that evening. national security staff worked on the issue on nonstop basis. >> who was briefing the president? were you? >> i was in the room when the president was briefed but i was not briefing the president. >> john brennan testified yesterday it wasn't him. secretary panetta said it wasn't him.

in hearings, the odni clapper said it wasn't him. morrell said it wasn't him. we have eliminated a lot of people who had contact within the intelligence community that knew firsthand-hand what was going on in benghazi. who briefed the president on what was happening in the seven-hour period? >> in the conversations i was in. the national security staff was present. some of the people -- >> would brennan have been included that? >> you are asking who did a briefing. that is different than who is in the conversation. if you ask people were they in conversation, there might have been a different answer. >> anybody in the briefing session on the continual basis? >> the intelligence community in close touch with security team on near constant basis. >> bret: lew, the

president's nominee to oversea the nation's money had to answer questions how he oversees his own money. mike emanuel on a boatload of issue over a fistful of dollars. >> jack lew faced heat on the confirmation hearing at his time working for citigroup. and serving as chief operating officer of two units including one which did pro pairtary trading. >> you would be saying to financial firms do as i say, not as i did. >> citigroup required $45 billion taxpayer bail-out in the financial meltdown and lew grilled about bonus he received. >> explain why it's morally accept to believe take close to $1 million out of a company functionally insolvent and about to receive a $1 billion of taxpayer support. >> in 2008, i was employee in

the private sector. i compensated in a manner with people who did the work i did in the industry. i was compensated for my work. it leave for others to judge. >> max baucus asked lew about investing in a fund based in well-known tax haven. >> why is the invest in the cayman islands? >> i don't know why it was organized. i was not involved setting up the fund. >> did you pay taxes on that investment? >> i reported all income related to the investment on my tax forms. paid my taxes. >> lou lou lost money on the investment -- lew lost money on the investment. but they attacked him for sheltering of money in the caymans. >> on the second term priority, key republican said president obama must lead.

>> to me if you get economic growth you get revenue. >> jeff sessions are angry about lew's testimony in 2011 when he served as budget director. >> senator, i think it's accurate statement that the current spending will not be increasing the debt. we have sat spending money we don't have. we can't wish the national debt away. >> sessions is so mad he sent a letter to colleagues. it might not be enough to stop the nomination in the committee but it could lead to fireworks on the senate floor. bret? >> bret: we will follow that. mike emanuel live on the hill. thank you. most of the president's "state of the union" address last night centered ways he believes to pump up the economy. today he took the ideas on a sales trip. here is chief white house correspondent ed henry. >> back on the road for president obama at a canadian owned auto parts factory bringing new jobs to north

carolina. campaigning for proposals that warmed the hearts of the left with talk of investing government money. >> making sure that colleges are affordable and accessible to every american. and i believe we attract new jobs to america by any infrastructure. >> for the second straight day, the president's team insisted the array of new initiatives will not add a dime to the deficit. >> nothing i am proposing should increase deficit by a dime. >> healthcare reform will not add a time to deficit. >> top white house aides say the president can cover the new ideas. and pay down the debt. by redirecting existing funds and wiping out tax loopholes and deductions.

>> he will pay for this and have deficit reduction beyond paying for proposals. >> the top democrats tell fox in meetings before the "state of the union," white house officials privately said they are planning a multi-weak campaign outside the beltway. they are serve the economy is stalling again. today, new report found retail sales edged up disappointing .1% in january from december. commerce department resealed in december, they restock the inventory at the slowest pace since june. a sign sales are getting weak. this is why the president is focused on stimulus. >> why we are seeing signs of solid progress, the car sales are up. housing is starting to recover. we're a ways away from we need to be. >> last night's president offered up more of the same.

higher taxes and more stimulus spending. >> we still do not know the price tag on the president's proposals. aides say it will be in the new budget, due at the beginning of february. >> the man one magazine anointed the republican savior tried to advance the g.o.p. argument for lower taxes and smaller government last night following the president. >> carl cameron has specifics. >> marco rubio's response to the president "state of the union" address was simple and aggressive. >> this opportunity to make it to the middle class isn't bestowed on us from washington. comes from a vibrant free economy that people risk their own money to open a business. if they succeed they hire more people. >> of cuban descent and key author of the bipartisan reform proposal, rubio is emerging as a top 2016

presidential contender to appeal to minorities in the middle class. the favorite attack is that those of white house don't agree with him don't care about the immigrants. i live in the neighborhood i grew up in. what you propose will hurt the middle class families. i don't oppose your plans because i want to protect the rich, i want to protect my neighbors. >> the president wanted to raise minimum wage but rubio warned it wouldn't grow jobs and income. >> we all want that. is the minimum wage the best way to do it? history said the answer is absolutely not. >> employers cut jobs when forced to raise wages. >> critics care less about the message than the need for sip of water while delivering it last night. impossible to match granger of the "state of the union" speech but if getting dry mouth is the best rubio's critics can come up with, republicans say he did fine

last night. >> bret: thank you. second rebut to the president hit similar themes. it came from rand paul. under the banner of the tea party. he blamed both parties spending too much and selling out the taxpayers. >> time for a new bipartisan consensus. that not all dollar spent on domestic program is sacred and republicans, myself included realize military spending is not immune to waste and fraud. >> bret: blunt remarks from the drug czar about the president's shortcomings later in the grapevine. up next, big brother for necessary protection? the president goes solo on cyber security.

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>> bret: president obama is not waiting for congress to try to avoid a cyber pearl harbor. administration is trying to get ahead of a threat that seems to be spiking. here is chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. >> reporter: in the last year, virtually every major u.s. bank reported website problems including denial of service or intermittent delays, which is the likely result of cyber attacks by iran. with this executive order, president obama has bypassed congress to set voluntary cyber security standards within a year, to better protect banks, phone companies and the power grid. >> the president has taken the action because the threat demands it. >> almost immediately, the u.s. intelligence community will expand the sharing of unclassified and classified reports about looming cyber threats, beyond the defense sector to private industry. >> this executive order is only a down payment. on what we need to address the threat.

>> the cyber bill made criticism that it was too costly and not effective. today the ranking chair and house intelligent committee said they would reintroduce the legislation that they threatened to block over privacy concerns. >> we are in a cyber war, most miles per hours don't know it. most folks in the world probably don't know it. at this point, we are losing it. >> the aclu says the house bill still fails to meet the basic privacy standards. >> the worst case scenario is companies will start dumping information on the government. and they will routinely turn over intensely personal records. >> obama administration lazier-like focus on the cyber security is legacy of the bush administration and meeting of the 2007 between homeland security secretary, director of national intelligence and the head of the nsa. >> president bush, he authorized a comprehensive national cyber security initiative.

and that initiative was subsequently picked up and advanced by the current administration. >> given congress' failure to act, the exective order is scene as a stopgap measure. in the rush to prevent a cyber 9/11, critics question whether americans will unnecessarily forfeit basic privacy protection. bret? >> bret: thank you. now in headlines overseas. rebels are battling government sources for control of the military base, protecting the main airport in aleppo, syria. activists report other flashes outside damascus, including the regime airstrike on suburbs. local officials say nato airstrike killed ten civilians including five children. reuters reports four taliban fighters also died there. president hamid karzai condemned that attack. nato is saying they are aware of the report of the civilian casualties but can't confirm them. many of the me and women who fought the nation's war have another battle on their hands. this time, correspondent

douglas kennedy tells us, it's right here at home. >> 112 days. three other divisions hit at the same time. >> general macarthur fulfilled his pledge. >> in 1944, errol spent months fighting the japanese in world war ii. this is your uniform from the pacific, where you won a purple heart and a bronze star? >> yes, i did. >> tell me about that. >> well, we made a landing in new guinea. and that is where i got the bronze star. >> the former staff sergeant and his fellow american seasonals were successful at defeating the japanese. but for years he has been unsuccessful at defeating the bureaucracy at the veterans administration. the v.a. says it still cannot decide whether he can hold down a regular job. his daughter becky is

outraged. >> your father is 93 years old. he can barely walk. he is definitely cannot work. >> true. it's just an atrocity that the v.a. would ask, whether a 93-year-old with his health conditions could possibly even hold down a job. >> but he is not alone. veterans right groups say the v.a. is hopelessly slow in making what everyone calls simple decisions. >> it's crazy. it's insane that a veteran and his 90s has to prove he is unable to work. >> in a statement, the v.a. defended its benefit office. saying disability claims have increased nearly 50% since 2008. outpacing the v.a. current claims processing capacity. >> the v.a. says they have a lot of claims and everybody simply has to wait, unfortunately your father doesn't have that much time to wait. >> no, not at 93. >> she says older veterans need to be fast tracked and the v.a. needs to use a little

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>> bret: still not confirmation tonight that the body found in the charred remanes of the vacation cabin in big bear, california, is that of fugitive former cop christopher dorner. authorities say they found a wallet and personal items including dorner's driver's license. police report they heard a single shot from inside as they launched a assault on the cabin. dorner is suspected in the deaths of four people.

a funeral was held today for one of those victims. 34-year-old michael crane was a police officer in riverside. thousands of people including law enforcement from all over california attended the service. carnival cruise lines says passengers aboard the disabled ship in the gulf of mexico do have access to running water and working bathrooms. some accounts have passengers on the carnival triumph complaining of filthy hot conditions, overflowing toilets and limited access to food. the ship could make port in alabama tomorrow. we also learn today the same vessel had mechanical problems last month that delayed the departure for several hours. we are learning the u.s. coast guard is transporting a generator to the carnival triumph to help with power. gasoline went up another penny-and-a-half overnight. the national average is $3.62 a gallon. that is 32 cents higher than a month ago. crude oil futures were down a half dollar, closing at just

over $97 a barrel. last night, president obama painted a positive picture of america's energy situation. chief national correspondent jim angle said and what he didn't. >> they lay out conflicting goals in the speech. they want to increase federal land and only as a way of eliminating the need for it. >> we have an energy security to drive research and technology to shift cars and trucks off oil for good. >> my administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits. >> it would be a change in policy since the obama administration has been steadily reducing them. >> in the past four years the leases offshore has gone down

46%. >> 96% of the boom and production is private land. in north dakota, for instance, the unemployment rate is 3.2% in part because it acts so much faster than the administration. >> it takes ten days to get a permit to drill in north dakota. 307 days on average for government land. >> if it moves factor, critics see huge job potential. >> we would have $2 million more jobs -- 2 million more jobs in 30 years. >> both sides are concerned it didn't mention the keystone xl pipeline last night, issue that commits environmental from some unions that say keystone xl creates 20,000 high-paying jobs. >> those are shovel ready jobs. all he has to do is pencil in his signature and they will go

to work. >> the president did give a nod to environmentalists, promising to act on what he described as the dangers of climate change. >> if congress want act soon to protect future generations, i will. >> epa has been investigating fracking but that's primarily responsible for the boom in natural gas the president cheers. >> 70% of the natural gas resource that we know of in the united states is the dependent on the technology. >> north dakota illustrates, analysts of all kinds say no single policy could create more jobs than opening up federal lands to energy development. >> more on this with the panel. thanks. the dow lost 36 today. s&p up 1. nasdaq gained ten. taking the concept of college being a life changing experience. to a whole new area. they reveal where the boss is not doing a good job. grapevine is next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.

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>> bret: now some fresh pickings from the political grapevine. the white house drug czar is criticizing how his boss the president is fighting the war on one particular drug. marijuana. he tells can the's mcclean's magazine, "the administration has not done a particularly good job of one, talking about marijuana as a public health issue; number two, talking

about what can be done and where we should be headed on the drug policy. last november, colorado and washington state passed laws legalizing recreational marijuana use. a patchwork of policies is not the best approach. brown university will become the latest college to expand the student health insurance plan to include sex change operations. in august, students will be covered for gender reassignment surgeries. the school official tells the campus newspaper part of an effort to support all students at the university. the "new york times" reports nationwide, 36 schools, cornell, stanford and harvard include sex change surgeries in student health plans. on capitol hill, more momentum for immigration reform. correspondent doug mckelway

is here to tell us what happened today. >> today was the first hearing on the hill. immigration reform. since bipartisan group of senators, four republicans and four democrats reported progress in crafting comprehensive immigration reform. that package appears to be gaining pretty much broad support and not a moment too soon. the senate judiciary committee got an earful from panelists today describing the dysfunction of the president immigration policy. d.h.s. secretary janet napolitano came under special criticism. they cited documents showing the ice agent that laid the arrest of a child rapist by the name of abraham sanchez zabileda. after learning it would garner congressional scrutiny. >> shocking, they would have the discretion to grant child rapist application to stay in the country.

today, this person is free in the united states. >> wearing an ankle bracelet and takes that to mean he no longer has access to children but admits the process is broken an needs fixing. >> the immigration system is not just broken but hurting the country. the time to fix is it long overdue. the way to fix is it with common sense, comprehensive immigration reform. >> they described a badly demoralized agency prohibited by management from enforcing even the most basic of immigration law. >> new policies require that illegal aliens have a felony arrest or conviction or be convicted of three or more misdemeanors. many illegal aliens with criminal convictions are untouchable. >> if congress does not pass the immigration reform by the august recess, it's likely

that the president will step in with the own immigration reform policy and one that b bypasses border enforcement. many conservative republicans would see it as a poison pill. back to you. >> bret: long process. we'll follow every step. thank you. clo sure vote on chuck hagel is set for friday in the senate. he is facing potential filibuster on floor by republicans anxious to block that nomination. friday is a day that is supposedly lost and then found appearance of one of the public appearances could be released. remarks in question were made to the arab american antidiscrimination committee. not part of hagel's disclosure information he shared with senators. today, pope benedict made his first appearance since news broke of his resignation. he told thousands of faithful on this, ash wednesday, the

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officeerty and raise the minimum wage to $9 an hour. nothing i am proposing should increase the deficit bay dime. >> bret: the president took his "state of the union" address on the road today. a traditional move. today he went to north carolina bringing it to canadian own auto parts factory to bring jobs to north carolina. the white house pitching all of the programs will not add a dime to the deficit. the republican national committee had a problem with that libe and put out an ad pushing back against that today. >> we will not pay for health insurance reform adding to the deficit. i won't sign a bill that adds a dime to the deficit now or in the future. >> i won't sign a plan that adds a dime to deficit. >> only way to do it, not add one dime to the deficit.

>> it doesn't add a dime to the deficit. >> with that, bring in the panel. jonah goldberg of national review online. juan williams, columnist with the hill and sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. jonah, your thoughts on this post "state of the union." we didn't hear your thoughts last night. >> i think that there is a reason why first of all this was the lowest viewed, lowest rating "state of the union" in 14 years. people are turned off by politics. all of this talk about the liberal ascendancy and liberals in charge. republicans in disarray. the two most emotional pitches he made were for gun control and immigration reform. on gun control, all he is asking for is a vote. he just wants a vote. on immigration, which is our issue the only way to get it

across is if he doesn't get it involved. in a lot of ways the "state of the union" was a tacit position of how weak his position is right now. there were stolen bases and intellectually silly things from the minimum wage stuff on down. but ultimately, it was a boring speech. representing a certain poverty of ideas of where liberals want to go next. >> bret: juan, i'm sure you have a different take. >> i didn't think it was a poor speech at all. i was listening to jonah carefully. boring, it wasn't as confrontational as people expected it to be. they thought it was going to be with the inauguration, the inaugural speech being act one and thought it would be act two and people thought it was a haily political speech and pick up on this and corner the republicans in the "state of the union." just in listening to jonah what he did succeed in doing is to say this next term is

not going to be all about deficits. he doesn't believe in that. he thinks republicans are wrong. he does not think that spending the big problem. not telling you new here. but he has things he thinks can be accomplished and he promises not to blow up the deficit spend additional money in terms of the initiatives. the problem with the speech i would say is where are the specifics? why do you refuse to put out the actual numbers and attach a price tag for the people can say it will not blow up the deficit. >> bret: what about this pledge -- i will not sign a plan that adds one dime to the deficit? the rnc putting out that ad and all the times he said that before, including with healthcare. which clearly as you even the cbo nonpartisan is saying those numbers continue to go up. by the month. >> well, put healthcare to side for a moment and say that terms of other spending, stimulus spending and the like, you cans up any president had to take steps in

terms of economic rescue for the country and the like. of course, things came on to the wars, prescription drug -- >> bret: my question is why believe that line this time? >> as i say, i think the situation, exe generalsies that existed before do not exist now. with regard to healthcare however, that is not the case. healthcare cost do seem to be going up more son that he predicted, although as we know the rate of the growth of healthcare cost for this period is declining. >> obama, as you say, obama doesn't believe the deficit matter and deficit is not the problem, why make the promise at all? >> i didn't say he said deficits aren't the problem. he said spending isn't is the problem. he said he believes we can grow the economy, get added revenue in a way that we can grow our way out of the problem. >> bret: occasionally we take the questions from twitter. we had a question from@lislisa from@lisalucy5111. will the message resonate with

the average american and will they understand the wish list requires spending? >> i think the inaugural address was philosophical owed to hyperactive leftist government, the "state of the union" was problematic expression of that. is there a human or social problem that "state of the union" did not say could be cured with a program run out of washington? this was a throwback to the mid-20th century liberalism. a preclintonnian tax and spend. we have a program for every human ill. the reason it won't increase with the deficit is because we will tax accordingly. i mean, it's true in a way that obama care isn't adding to the deficit. the reason is it will cost $1.2 trillion according to the cbo. over ten years. but he is going to increase taxes by a little bit more.

so, yes, it will actually decrease the deficit. i used to be called tax and spend liberalism. after losing time and time again in the early '80s and '90s to republicans, the democrats decided to change the language. you don't tax anymore. it's all revenues. and you never spend, you only invest. this is the obama message. i think it was one of the major papers today had this interpretation of last night's address saying that we're now, signal moving away from austerity. in to a balance. as if obama has ever been the herald of austerity? we saw in run up the deficit by $6 trillion, the largest in american history. we have had the spigots open, the federal reserve and the treasury, still stuck in the worst recovery. now he is shifting in to more spending.

utterly ruinous. >> bret: last word. >> yeah. the whole thing about won't raise the deficit a dime, he might as well said government scientists figured out how to mate a sasquatch with a unicorn. nobody believes it. it's ridiculous and probably damaging to his credibility on other issues as well. >> bret: next up, what the president said and did not say about energy. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. did you know not all fiber is the same? citrucel is different- it's the only fiber for regularity that won't cause excess gas. it's gentle and clinically proven to help restore and maintain regularity. look for citrucel today.

♪ ♪ my administration will keep cutting red tape and speed up new oil and gas permits. that has to be part of the all of the above plan. >> over the past four years, the leases and permits on the federal land, united states on shore have gone down over 30%.

the major increase in oil and natural gas for four years have been on private land. >> bret: a lot of talk about the president's talk of energy. the "state of the union" address. one thing that wasn't mentioned the keystone pipeline. controversy about that. still hasn't been approved by the administration. here is what the senate minority leader said about it. "the president spoke about energy infrastructure but he didn't mention the keystone pipeline. he chose the nation's biggest stage to promote something that is inefficient and costly like solar panels instead of something that is proven and reliable and domestically produceded like coal." we're back with the panel. energy. there was a conflicting message in the "state of the union" address. is the president selling it? is he getting across that message? he is winning on this issue? >> i think he is losing on

this issue. the keystone pipeline, there is no, there is not a single rational argument against it. the only argument is it's rather dirty oil in alberta. and if you don't build the pipeline it will stay in ground. of course is ridiculous. the canadians said if it doesn't head south it will head west. china is hungry for the energy. canada won't leave it in ground. it won't have an effect on the climate. so there is nothing left here against the symbolism. and the fact that obama after he delayed this until after an election for political reasons securing his base, he doesn't say anything about it. it found it shocking in the "state of the union" address. leaving it out there hanging. he has a vision of a green universe which will happen in 100 years. in the meantime we are going to suffer. he pretended in the "state of the union" address yesterday

that somehow by going to green energy we'll reduce the cost for energy. wind resolar and the other is not self-supporting. if you force it on consumer you raise rates and make life increasingly expensive. complete contradiction against reality. ultimately reality wins. >> bret: juan, the administration approved it once. moved it to a less controversial route but it has to be approved again. nothing standing in the way. the governor of nebraska approved it. environmentalists are upset that actually keystone wasn't mentioned last night. >> for a different reason than dr. krauthammer. they want it stopped. >> right. so there were protests today. in fact ; about the keystone. so the issue splits. there are unions who are

supporting this keystone pip pipeline being put in place. because it creates high-paying jobs. so this is a read conundrum for the white house. that seems not ready deal with this. >> they're not ready to deal with it. because, you know, the green folks have money and they have invested in obama administration. and -- >> bret: that is darryl hannah, by the way. she got arrested by the way. >> bret: there were real reasons. governor of nebraska said this will cause problems with aqua forein nebraska. a real issue. now they have a different route. the governor approved it as you said. the second thing to say is this is not necessarily oil for the united states. even if it goes through the united states. it is a job creator. which is why in the polls now, most americans support having the xl pipeline approved. but the question then becomes what does this say in terms of america's energy future and about the environment and about the potential damage to this, for this pipeline for

the country? from the president's perspective, there is a political cost going against the energy folks. secondly in context -- >> bret: what political nost it's his second term. >> political cost? political cost to him and democrats -- >> bret: he isn't running again, juan. >> it doesn't matter. >> bret: his legacy? >> i'm going to say. you are a pressing source. >> bret: i'm pressing. >> you are. i think in terms of his legacy, he is moving toward the idea that america has to be in competition, he said this last night, with the chinese. the germans and brazilians who are in the a terptive energy field. if we get left behind the jobs won't come to the united states. if you continue to invest in the traditional coal-based, oil-based source of energy you are not moving the ball forward. >> china is waiting to swallow the oil that obama is denying. >> bret: quickly. >> this is, this is a placation of a truly limousine liberal crowd that loves the issues. in terms of the actual energy production, all the stuff he

is pouring billions in, donors gave him and the rest is a rounding error of what real energy is about. you have more charging stations in tennessee than you have electric cars right now. if you improve efficiency of how you burn coal by 1%, it dwarfs 30 fold all the stuff you get from solar and green energy. >> bret: we have much more to talk about this issue and we will. that is it for this panel. stay tuned as we reveal the newest crime fighter to lend a hand to one of america's toughest sheriffs. hi. hi.

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